Comments on: The Views And Potential Motivations Of Craig Hicks https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/ Home of Stephen Knight and The #GSPodcast Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:09:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.8 By: Ron Murphy https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-6895 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:22:08 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-6895 Sorry this is late. Missed this post but it just popped up on my radar.

The problem with your ‘our community’ is that you really are abusing the term ‘atheist’. Atheism really is dictionary atheism. All the people that can be atheists: Fascists, Communists, Democrats, Republicans, Budhists, … well, pretty much anyone that’s not a theists. Atehism already DOES contain lots of bad people. Your piece, and the one by Myers that referred to yours, continue to get this wrong.

New Atheists are mostly secular humanists. Their political persuasion covers various elements of liberalism and libertarianism. They acquire the label as a consequence of the accessibility of their material with the rise of the internet. They are not significantly different from many Old Atheists, Classical Atheists.

There are no atheist doctrines that demand bad behaviour. That comes from elsewhere.

More on your piece: https://ronmurp.net/2015/10/07/ashley-miller-invites-our-atheist-self-flagellation/

And for the record, Myers: https://ronmurp.net/2015/10/07/is-myers-morally-and-intellectually-bankrupt/

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By: Is the Left becoming anti-Semitic? « Why Evolution Is True https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-5473 Tue, 08 Mar 2016 18:50:16 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-5473 […] three young Muslims in North Carolina were killed by atheist Craig Hicks because of their faith, but that seems not to be the case.) But plenty of Jews are murdered simply because they are Jews, in Israel, Paris, and […]

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By: What’s Your Source For That @Max_Fisher? | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-5389 Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:25:10 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-5389 […] properties. Well, what is it based on? I’ve documented Craig Hick’s social media output at length before. The fact is, if Hicks had a ‘paranoid hatred of religion’, so do I and most of the people […]

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By: “Heartless Asshole..How Do You Sleep At Night?” Dean Obeidallah Loses The Plot | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-5230 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:28:14 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-5230 […] seems completely at odds with the information that has been made public. It is also at odds with the findings of the preliminary police investigation, or the charges […]

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By: An Open Letter To @Hallcyon Regarding His Craig Hicks Comments | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-4528 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:14:33 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-4528 […] that information known to my readers and listeners, given I’ve spent a considerable amount of time saying there is no evidence2 for such a […]

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By: Chapel Hill Shame Belongs To Reactionaries Like @TheFlowerThrowe | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-4518 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:06:42 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-4518 […] given a platform to anti-Muslim extremists – takes up the baton, armed only with half-truths and attacks an author for dedicating his book, The New Atheist Threat to the three Chapel Hill victims.  And as these […]

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By: Taking The Myth – 04 Oct Edition | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-4284 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 15:42:39 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-4284 […] Scotsman Abroad discuss the big topics with guest callers. Topics include: The UCC Oregon shooting, Craig Stephen Hicks and The Pope. Dean Obeidallah and The Pope are this week’s ASLAN contenders. A Scotsman Abroad […]

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By: S https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-4282 Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:51:50 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-4282 Thanks to gspellchecker for linking to the Ashley Miller article. I have just read her article.

Her article and its conclusions are based on a patently unsupportable false premise. There is no evidence the shooter is atheist.

The article is also based on false logic. Even if the shooter were atheist (which there is no firm evidence to prove at this stage) , there is no evidence to connect him or compare him by analogy with religiously-motivated shooters.

The labels used by the author of that article – “atheist” or “religious” – are entirely irrelevant per se. And this resort to lazy labels indicates a lack of seriousness and intellectual robustness in the writer.

What matters is the *motivation* and *rationale* for a person’s actions. Many religious can be motivated by their religious texts, teachings and associated political beliefs – not all will be.

But the writer needs to offer evidence that atheist shooters are motivated by their atheistic leanings. It seems that the only kind of atheist that would be motivated to do what these shooters do would be an “anti-secular” atheist who wants to eradicate religious freedom entirely. Now, of course, this not “atheism” – this is anti-secularism. They are not the same thing. Anti-secularism is not a feature, belief or ideology of atheism at all.

Please stop using “atheism” as a lazy, un-reasoned, anti-intellectual shorthand.

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By: Ashley F. Miller https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/10/the-views-and-potential-motivations-of-craig-hicks/#comment-4275 Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:31:54 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3038#comment-4275 In fairness, I’m only one sanctimonious blogger. I also don’t disagree with anything you’ve written here, except for your characterization of my blog, which was making many of the same points you make. We do not know much about this shooter. Craig Hicks was not an anti-theist but a liberal normal seeming atheist who got mad about a parking dispute. Atheists need to realize that as we grow we are going to have more kinds of people, including bad ones, in our community. Atheists are humans with all that entails. We should be wary of tribalism preventing us from acknowledging bad things atheists have done and will do and wary of tribalism leading us to think the religious aren’t as good as we are.

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