Comments on: Goldsmiths Islamic And Feminist Societies Are A Disgrace https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/ Home of Stephen Knight and The #GSPodcast Mon, 29 May 2017 18:03:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.5 By: Richard Dawkins vs Atheism+ « The Rationalists https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4959 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:05:25 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4959 […] Goldsmiths Islamic And Feminist Societies Are A Disgrace […]

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By: Kazemi https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4796 Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:03:33 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4796 Well said and thanks.

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By: Kazemi https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4795 Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:02:53 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4795 Simply wow! So all those people on the right who were disparaging feminists for being bullies and anti-liberal are right after all? Looks like the ideology of postmodernism has hollowed their brains out.

So are they saying that Islamic fascists are right because they are powerless? Makes no sense to me.

They are not even powerless. They have the same rights and opportunities as any one of us, living in an egalitarian society.

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By: Christopher Steven Day https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4705 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:00:25 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4705 Earlier this month at Goldsmiths University of London, a female ex-Muslim speaker named Maryam Namazie was invited to talk about Islam and her reasons for leaving the faith. Her invitation was protested formally by an on-campus Islamic group (ISOC), who even sent a contingent of members to the lecture in order to subvert it. The event-hijacking happens gradually starting at the 7-minute mark in the video found via the link below.

So far, none of this merits much attention: it’s the expected in-fighting between adherents of a faith and ex-adherents who threaten the former’s coherency as a group by showing its members a way out. But that all changed once the ISOC alleged that Namazie’s talk would be filled with hate speech and would only incite more Islamophobia on campus. Everything changed because this allegation successfully made the ISOC look like victims, and everything changed with this depiction of victimization because the university feminist and LGBT student groups bought it. What followed were two official statements of support from the Goldsmiths Feminist and LGBT societies and in its wake an unholy marriage between a group (ISOC) that opposes gay rights and believes that feminist beliefs enslave women, on the one hand, and on the other, two groups that believe exactly opposite things.

What’s most interesting to me in all of this is how to explain it, and I think I’ve made some headway. The explanation centers on two preconditions, preconditions that are required for this uneasy cohabitation of ideological antipodes to be conceivable: 1) A belief that discourse about ideas is best understood as a discourse about power (postmodernism); and 2) A belief that right action is not best determined through appeal to universal principles of justice, but is instead always a practical question of how to give care to those who are in immediate need of it (feminist care ethics).

On #1, postmodernism has asked us to look at questions of theoretical dispute in terms of a struggle for power instead of as a struggle for truth. When we do this, we stop asking questions of the beliefs surrounding us like “What is true and/or good?” in the interest of hitching our wagons to the right horse, and instead we replace those careful questions with the hastier one of who is locally in a position of power such that s/he can affect the beliefs of others? Nowhere is it then also asked whether implementing this belief would be good or bad, only whether s/he has power enough to do it.

And on #2, feminist care ethics is built on the idea that traditional ethics has gone wrong in trying to mete out justice according to universal rules that rank needs in hierarchies of value, and have asked us to focus instead on giving care to those in the greatest need, to those of us who are victims. This is great in theory, but the general disregard for careful analysis in care ethics makes it hard to figure out who’s really being victimized and who’s crying wolf, and in some cases this approach winds up making a virtue out of just giving grease to the squeakiest wheel.

To all of this I really only have one thing to say to the feminist and LGBT groups to dissuade them of their perhaps unacknowledged commitments to 1) and 2) above, that in addition to our legitimate concerns about the danger of power and about the pressing needs of victims, we should also always ask ourselves this question: would the world be a better or worse place if the people we support were in charge? Let us not just side with whoever has less power in our vicinity, as postmodernism and care ethics would have us do, but ask ourselves what they would do if they had power, so that we may judge their beliefs more conclusively.

In short, let us be activists in the moral sphere as we are activists in the environmental: let us think globally before acting locally.

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By: Goldsmiths Student Union Fail To Make Any Conclusions In Their ‘Conclusion’ | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4700 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:04:43 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4700 […] the tail end of last month it was reported that Maryam Namazie was subjected to harassment and intimidation by members of The Islamic Society […]

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By: Goldsmiths Student Union Fail To Make Any Conclusions In Their ‘Conclusion’ | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4690 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:15:54 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4690 […] the tail end of last month it was reported that Maryam Namazie was subjected to harassment and intimidation by members of The Islamic Society […]

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By: Jordie https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4679 Fri, 11 Dec 2015 07:19:23 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4679 Myryam did the right thing spreading the video via social media, and it was a success it went viral. She probably got more attention from this than the actual speech itself . Everything that happens proved her points. The feminists and Islamists hate it, because they have been exposed for lies and complete dishonesty. Everyone has seen the footage, so it makes them look like idiots

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By: Deucalion https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4677 Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:23:55 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4677 What I find most disgusting is the Goldsmith’s feminist and lgbtq societies stood in solidarity with the dictionary definition of an oppressive, mysoginistic, homophobic patriarchy… against a feminist.
Disgusting…

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By: Iran’s forcible “sex-reassignment” surgery for gays « Why Evolution Is True https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4670 Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:45:33 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4670 […] by the Feminist Society of Goldsmiths College when they—and, ironically, its LGBTQ+ Society—allied themselves against Maryam Namazie and with the Islamic Society, whose own president opposes e…  That president, Muhammed Patel, has since resigned after his homophobic tw**ts came to light. […]

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By: James https://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/#comment-4660 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:58:47 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3202#comment-4660 York University feminists recently got a Men’s International Day event cancelled. The far left are the modern day nazis who try and silence reasonable middle ground debates. An extreme on left or right is bad.

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