Comments on: What’s Being Said About Atheists In Arabic? https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/ Home of Stephen Knight and The #GSPodcast Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:53:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.4 By: What Are Some People Saying About The Orlando Shooting In Arabic? | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-6173 Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:53:31 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-6173 […] to the good work of twitter user @ahmedaa1k, I was able to show you what was being said in Arabic by some people about atheists a while back. The same twitter user has also translated […]

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By: kkb https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5410 Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:45:20 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5410 In reply to Jeffery Jay Lowder.

Because in that religion, they’re all still free to advocate death to atheists. Christianists believe the same thing, but don’t want to admit it, though most still do.

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By: Khaleed https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5247 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:53:02 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5247 In reply to slackerinc.

Peace be upon you my friend. There are. But people rarely use twitter in my opinion. I dont. You can find a lot of people calling out these idiots on facebook if you care to look..

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By: Liska https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5243 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 04:02:14 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5243 Thanks for this. Our translate in czech language on our page IVČRN (Islám v ČR nechceme) – We do not want islam in Czech republic): http://www.ivcrn.cz/co-pisi-muslimove-o-ateistech-na-twitteru/

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By: Basheer https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5240 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:02:12 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5240 In reply to Daniel Thomas (@dapperfox).

I agree that a deeper analysis would be good for providing context and giving a more objective understanding and a more reasonable approach to narrative. However, I question whether or not that would be useful or enlightening in a meaningful sense. A quick look over the hashtag shows that there is, in fact, support for the hashtag, including from Arabs, and that is encouraging. However, these examples of calling for the death of apostates still exist and are held with conviction. But if we were to be critical in our understanding of the general situation, we cannot use Twitter for that.

In my previous post (above) I argue that the Arab Twitter user base cannot be a representative sample of the Arab world, and indeed, not even statistically significant. A quick look at user and population numbers shows how insignificant the percentage of Arab Twitter users is: under 6 million users from a population of over 350 million, which is less than 2%. Providing context for such a small demographic is in no way representative of the predominant cultures in Arab states, especially when one considers that not all users are active and not all chose to participate in this hashtag. Some users might be unaware of the hashtag and some might have chosen not to participate. This logically makes the 2% (which might have been a high enough number) dwindle into insignificance if we’re discussing general cultural norms.

I claim that trying to formulate an objective understanding cannot be done through social media alone. This article is a representation of a niche demographic on a single platform. It reflects the attitude of those individuals, and sadly, these views are pervasive in the Arab world if you ever experience living there and immerse yourself in the culture.

I fully support the efforts for developing a much better understanding of context and numbers. However, this seems like a nearly impossible task. One cannot hook enough people, who would be a random and representative sample of Arabs, to MRI machines to find out their true attitudes. One cannot even assume that there would be a safe environment for the sample to express their beliefs honestly in a questionnaire or an interview. One cannot assume that researchers and statisticians would be safe in conducting their research.

As for the currently available statistics, be it from Arab governments or the US, it is very difficult to find them to be anything but excruciatingly inaccurate. For example, literacy rates of higher than 95% in countries I’ve been to and lived in are just impossible to believe; it is like Bashar Al-Assad winning 88.7 of the Syrian votes in 2014 during wartime. These numbers are not dealt with in a scientifically honest manner, and I am pessimistic of the possibility of obtaining fairly accurate numbers.

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By: StopS https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5235 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 16:53:36 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5235 In reply to Basheer.

Best, most comprehensive and accurate summary I have come across. Thank you for that.

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By: Stephen Knight https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5233 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:28:09 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5233 In reply to Daniel Thomas (@dapperfox).

I took ten minutes out from editing a podcast to post it:-) A deeper analysis would be nice however…

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By: Daniel Thomas (@dapperfox) https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5232 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:25:27 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5232 This article is justified in its own terms, namely a selection of the grim things said about apostates by those using Arabic on Twitter. Fair enough.

If I were a commissioning editor (I’ve known a fair few) I would be tempted to say “yes, but so what?” There’s no context, just a sort of inverted beauty parade. How many responses did the hashtag gain overall? How many were positive? What were the common themes? What do we know now that we didn’t before?

The idea is a very good one, but I fear without that extra layer of context and narrative it can be used by the political Right to say “look, they’re barbarians” and regressives to say “but you’re being too general” with both feeling the article backs that position. I’ve seen there’s been a bit of the latter on Twitter.

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By: Ale https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5224 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:14:20 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5224 In reply to theo.

That was a joke about regressivethink.

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By: Voltaire Lives https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/#comment-5223 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:46:47 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=3643#comment-5223 In reply to Jeffhalmos.

Not Reformation. Islam has had it’s reformation – that is what Salafism is all about. Reformation in the Christian world produced the bible reading literalists of the protestant movement who wanted to reach back to what they considered the “authentic” Christianity. In ISIS we have the same impulse in an Islamic context.

What the Islamic world needs is an Enlightenment. Screw the Reformation – that’s just playing in the same sandpit. Kick the castle over with an Enlightment.

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