Yes I agree, it would help if we could be more realistic and less precious about the nature of the phenomenon !

Hi Rose, relax no offence taken 🙂
I feel Tommy Robinson and Pegida are just reactions to a society whose leaders refuse to confront extremist Islam, but instead they wind us up I saying Islam is a religion of peace.
Goodday.

Yes but the liberal left are generally fellow atheists so they are rarely concerned about religious criticism reflecting badly on Christianity, in fact it is quite the reverse, they welcome attacks on white Christians, its only ethnic religions they want to defend.

Sorry Denash, if I offended and implied any thing re Hindu intentions – perhaps I expressed it badly, maybe you have had some issues that UK authorities have not listened to/downplayed, so I was a bit insensitive.

In Australia we recently have very nationalist anti Islam organisations set up with violence around it and would be worried about attempts to broaden that.
– Tommy has been one of the founders setting up Pegida in the UK – in Europe Pegida is mentioned a lot in the media in association with around 1,000 attempts to set refugee shelters on fire –

so if its to do with any non public talk you wonder what he’s saying to people in non public forum.
Actually I was impressed with his presentation (on video) to Oxford uni, but I think he probably has two faces.

Could it be because the roots of the islamic scriptures like “Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut (Lot), kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” are taken from the very religions of our PC dictators. So any shots fired at islam will ultimately hit then too.

Hi Rose, Hindus and sikhs know full well from their own history the evils of Islam as preached by the founder Prophet Muhammad. Meeting up with the likes of Tommy Robinson is not going to enlighten them any further on the topic of Islam. However the chances are that the concept of karma will be pushed on Tommy Robinson as a more indian way to tackle his problems with islam. As an example to show where the Hindu priorities are, last time they kicked up a fuss in the UK was regarding the putting to death of a cow by the British authorities because it might have contacted some disease. Ta

I also think really inflammatory social speech Directly justifying and calling for what amounts to violence – its fair enough to shut down – especially when it justifies any domestic (intra state/intra societal) violence. International violence is more complex because we all know the competing claims and interests including claims to self defence, the goodness/evilness of allies in the rich and poor world alike etc. – unless of course its a speaker purporting to justify blanket violent targetting of a people regardless of threat proportionality. To some extent the judgement of social good is subjective though it should be open.

So Roosh’ proposed Canadian conferences on women should be raped in private and there should be laws allowing that were banned – and rightly so. Likewise here in Australia when a speaker at a conference on ethics proposed to speak on the topic of “Honour killings are justified” and proposed to the convenor that he would be arguing these are perfectly justified – I think the convenor was right to cancel the scheduled talk of that speaker (Uthman Badar of Hisbut Tahrir)