Comments on: #MythCon Disagreement And Thomas Smith’s Online Abuse https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/ Home of Stephen Knight and The #GSPodcast Sun, 28 Apr 2019 01:43:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.4 By: CSICon 2018 speaker Kavin Senapathy left when her beliefs were questioned - Avant Garde https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8254 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:51:55 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8254 […] Dawkins-hating fest, with quite the collection of creatures: PZ Myers, David Gorski, Ryan Bell and Thomas Smith all showed up to put oinment on Senapathy’s bruised ego while trying to one-up their hatred […]

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By: oranggorilla https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8067 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:11:54 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8067 I don’t think the tweet was all that bad. It was a non-threat, given as an example that the tolerance for what constitutes a threat is too low.

If you have some preacher grandstanding about how people are constantly telling him about their abortions, and some antagonist tweets “I wouldn’t even have an abortion if I knew it was yours” at him, it comes completely within the domain of the conversation. If that preacher has a past of someone aborting a fetus he fathered, that is hardly relevant to the conversation being had.

Pulling the whole “she was groped once, so you can’t ever mention rape towards her,” is utter nonsense when the context of the conversation has been “I receive all these rape threats.”

Honestly, after all the moral outrage over a stated non-intent of malice, I probably would have cheered the absolute dismissal of Thomas’s outrage as well. I’m willing to bet the vast majority who were cheering were informed of the context, and the content of that tweet, and the ensuing fallout.

Now, the tweet wasn’t great, it’s utterly obvious provocation, and poking the bear. But it’s neither a threat, nor mocking someone’s (alleged) victimhood. It is mocking someone’s extremely oversensitive sensibilities. And in doing that, the hypersensitivity was demonstrated.

It could have been good to see Thomas contain his fury, but I think it turned out way more fun the way it went down.

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By: David Noble https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8065 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:41:49 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8065 It seems like the explanation for the cheers for Sargon is something along the lines of, “They weren’t cheering for sexual harassment, they were cheering at his defiance in the face of moral outrage.” I hope I’ve got that right. If so, then it seems like a very poor excuse.

Firstly, Sargon’s tweet does warrant moral outrage, it was a despicable thing to say. Imagine saying to victim of physical abuse: “I wouldn’t even beat you”, or to a holocaust survivor: “I wouldn’t even gas you.” I don’t give these examples to say they are of equivalent cruelty, but in the hopes that you’ll see the similarity.

Secondly, if people were cheering as a push back against what they felt was an obnoxious and hostile questioning by Thomas, then the outrage they felt at Thomas’ attitude must have outweighed what they felt about Sargon’s sexual harassment. If anyone heard the details of what Sargon did, then they cheered despite the knowledge of his cruel and pathetic comments. That’s not something I would dismiss. (I guess they may have misheard what was said, only catching the manner in which it was said instead of the actual content (not their fault I suppose but not Thomas’ either)).

Do people care less about the substance of what was said than the style with which it was delivered? I suppose that’s Sargon of Akkad in a nutshell though. Doesn’t matter what you say, just make sure you’re relaxed whilst saying it, otherwise you lose. I agree that it would have been better if Thomas had kept his composure, but I can’t blame him him too much for losing his cool, public speaking is stressful. I can hope that I would stay calm in that situation, but I couldn’t guarantee it.

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By: Hotbum https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8057 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 19:07:16 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8057 I can’t do anything but laugh at Thomas and his behaviour. His self awareness is negative googlplex and he doesn’t even notice how much he is projecting his own flaws to be the flaws of dissenters.

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By: Loz https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8054 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:37:41 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8054 Cool, keep up the good work

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By: Stephen Knight https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8053 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:47:32 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8053 Hi, I’ve just located this clarification and updated the blog. Thanks for the info

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By: Rich Sanderson (@RichSandersen) https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8052 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:49:08 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8052 Imagine if you were a Jew who lost family at Auschwitz, only to have some goon call you a “Nazi”. Not very nice, and antisemitic in my books. And yet, Smith, Winters, Shives, Ferguson, and the rest of the mob attacking MM, are fine with this.

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By: Gary https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8051 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:16:59 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8051 This creepy authoritarian attitude seems to come from an inability to just ignore things you don’t like.
Why would you actively try and damage the conference?
Why not just say you’re not going back and ignore it.

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By: Loz https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8050 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:48:59 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8050 Great summary Stephen. I have genuinely never encountered such an obnoxious, sanctimonious and entitled approach to hosting a podcast than that of this pair, and that’s going some…

However I do think it’s worth clarifying that Eli didn’t label you a “cock”… he was lamenting what he saw as *you* thinking *he* was a cock, from the point of view of someone who respects your output. That was how I read his original tweet and he’s since stated the same on Twitter. As far as I can see, while behaving pretty awfully in other ways, Eli hasn’t been explicitly abusive in the way that Thomas Smith has.

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By: ALe https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/10/mythcon-disagreement-and-thomas-smiths-online-abuse/#comment-8049 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:14:25 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=5428#comment-8049 Called you a cock did he? Imagine you were a woman and he called you a cunt….

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