Comments on: BOOK REVIEW: White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/ Home of Stephen Knight and The #GSPodcast Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:23:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: In Defence of ‘New Atheism’ | Concrete Milkshake https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9428 Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:23:06 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9428 […] rapid metastization of a regressive, quasi-religious ideology, complete with circular reasoning, original sin, mass-indoctrination, blasphemy codes, and the demand of what Hitchens called “the surrender […]

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By: Taking The Myth – March 2021 Edition | Godless Spellchecker's Blog https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9329 Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:54:27 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9329 […] Stephen Knight’s review of Robin DiAngelo’s ‘White Fragility’: https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/ […]

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By: Locutus https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9261 Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:53:49 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9261 If I am completely honest with myself, I don’t know who is right on the issues of individualism versus the collective. There have always been people hyping up one extreme or the other, in academia and in the popular media. The idea that the collective has more influence on the individual than vice versa seems intuitively strong. How could one personality form itself in the face of an entire world with social structures that have thousands of years of history? Not to mention millions of years of evolutionary history writing the structure of our brain. It seems like a human psychology problem—as individuals it’s nearly impossible for us to think we don’t have majority control of ourselves.

I understand your points of view here, I think. When we speak in blanket terms about the social, political, and economic structures around us it often comes off as empty rhetoric. Even opportunistic rhetoric. And no doubt some ‘woke’ people are empty and opportunistic.

When you listen to some of the black people who talk about what it’s like to be black in the US, though, they talk about how they’re not allowed to forget their skin color, from birth. It comes from their community, from the media, from their schools and teachers, from their peers, from white people and culture. I think it’s a bit disingenuous for you to say that anyone wants black people to be defined by their skin and history forever, and ignore the material reality of now. Not to mention the fact that everyone is at least partially defined by their history; how could you escape it completely? I might want to define myself and my life 100% on my own, based solely on my own merits, but how realistic is that?

I don’t say this to dismiss my own role in being who I am. Like I said at the top of this comment—I don’t know where the line is, and how much I should blame myself for not being who I want to be. But I definitely believe that it isn’t at either extreme.

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By: Joel Merzetti https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9175 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:13:13 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9175 In reply to Ian.

I dare say some dark skinned folks perpetrated some pretty racist atrocities long before they ever set eyes on a fair-skinned human being. But as with all Orwellian adventures, history can be very selective when it needs to be.
I overheard a remarkably intelligent person say not so long ago that mischief walks the land when racism is used to combat racism, sexism is used to combat sexism, and ignorance pursues the illusion of intelligence. It can take a lot of hard work to wind up as a non-racist – after which it becomes an astonishingly easy thing to sustain. I couldn’t say I understand how racists actually feel about that, but I could take a good guess that jealousy and envy enter the mix somewhere.
Anyhow, human psychology remains pickled in the lust for revenge, which is why I’ve smelled a rat ever since this abomination of CRT got started. I’ve been critical of white history since middle school, and it never made me want to crawl outside of my own skin. The object in life is to figure out how to be comfortable in the skin you’re in. And there are far too many fine, wonderful and decent things about the human experience that own no particular color at all, which is as it should be. My tribe is non-existent, my identity group owns the greatest majority there is: the human race. Anyone trying to convince me otherwise leave me deeply suspicious of their respect for humanity. For of course any fool knows that the process of de-humanization paves a greased quick road to hell. Which is where we’ve gone before often enough. (But that particular history is conveniently ignored by those whose pride doth indeed, goeth before the fall. Verily. Religion? Some devils do indeed, claim their due.

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By: Miss Brittania https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9144 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 12:35:27 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9144 Great response and very funny. And, oh! so correct

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By: Louella https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9135 Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:48:56 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9135 Excellent. Thanks

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By: Adrian Mclain https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9134 Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:52:11 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9134 Perfect analysis of this group that comes after you for what they consider is wrong-think.

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By: Chris https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9132 Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:21:26 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9132 In reply to Ian.

Your analogy literally blew my mind and added perfectly to this review.

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By: Simon Baddeley https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9131 Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:14:04 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9131 There have to be limits to free speech, such as shouting “All lives matter!” in a crowded theatre.

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By: Ian https://www.gspellchecker.com/2020/07/book-review-white-fragility-by-robin-diangelo/#comment-9130 Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:26:03 +0000 https://www.gspellchecker.com/?p=6197#comment-9130 To carry your apt religious analogy a step further, there’s something specifically very Calvinist about this cult. The world is strictly divided into the righteous elect (still plagued by sin/racism, yet divinely favoured because of their acceptance of the doctrine that tells them so) and the reprobates (eternally damned, unable to be saved because they’re simply too sinful/racist to accept the doctrine). But because there’s no God in White Fragility, it repurposes the old Rousseauvian myth of the noble savage – dark-skinned people en masse as prelapsarian innocents, who do wrong only because they’ve been corrupted by whites – and makes a divine presence of them. And if their divine wrath should happen to fall on you because of your unconscious sin/racism, naturally it’s your duty as a good Puritan to be stoic and humble in the face of the Lord, and not attempt to appease Him with your tears. Just as the 17th-century Calvinist could point to all the world’s poverty, war, starvation and pestilence as evidence of universal sin, so the woke can attribute every flaw and disparity in modern society to racism. The appealing simplicity in both doctrines isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

But the good news is, like the spiritual forebears whose mentality she’s tediously re-packaged, Robin DiAngelo and her adherents will go down in history as joyless, self-righteous bigots who actively made the world a worse place to live. The issues they purport to care about *will* get better with time, but it’ll be through the hard work of others who care about material reality, not simply cleansing their own guilt-riddled conscience. And I think we can all say amen to that.

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